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Question: Why do you list Fr. Grunner and the Fatima Crusade as a group not to be associated with? I can say from my personal experience that he has done much to promote Our Lady, I can say he has helped me grow more in love with the Virgin and to pray the rosary. Please explain your position in this matter. I know there are issues with Rome(but that is because there are those in the Church to seek to null the message of Fatima, that is undeniable) but he does not teach anything contrary to Traditional Catholic teaching. The Conferences he has in Rome are attended by Bishops and Cardinals in good standing. Fr. Grunner wants the entire message revealed and for the Holy Father in union with the Cardinals to do what was asked by Our Lady. That has not occurred, it is fact. We could argue the different points, but his web site explains all, as does your site. I think both of you work for the Lord within the structures of our Roman Catholic faith, division being from the devil. Thank you and God bless you for your Ministry, its outstanding...
Question Answered by Dear Jose: I praise God that you have been helped by Fr. Gruner. Unfortuhnately, Fr. Grunar has been suspended as a priest the last time I checked. He was disobedient to his bishop. I am also amuzed by people who think the Third Secret has not been released or that it is incomplete. How would anyone know this unless they read the original document? This is calling Pope John Paul and Sister Lucia liars about both the Consecration of Russia, which happened in 1984 and the Third Secret which was released in 2000. Since both Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia have authenicated these documents, the case is closed. All that Our Lady asked has been completed. That is a demonstrated fact and verified by Sr. Lucia herself. Anyone, including Fr. Gruner, are committing a sin by accusing the Pope of lying. The burden of proof of such accusations belong to the accuers. Fr. Gruner has provided no proof. All he has done is posit unsubstantiated opinions and hearsay. Fr. Gruner has been an author of division. The devil is the father of division and accusation. Fr. Gruner needs to seek counseling if he is suffering from obsessive thinking. As Colin B. Donovan, STL, states on the EWTN site: Catholics who associate themselves with such efforts participate in at least material disobedience to lawful papal authority. This means that externally, in themselves, their acts are disobedient, though internally, through ignorance or lack of intention, they may not be morally culpable (formal disobedience). However, they could, over time, find themselves in formal schism from the Church, that is, knowingly and willfully disobeying papal authority. This is because in the human will it is not very far from whining and complaining about what you don't like about the Church and this pontificate to formally (that is, with full moral culpability) breaking communion with Peter, especially when you have taken the first step of material resistance to papal authority. Also read, Canon Law and Fr. Gruner's Suspension a divinis, by Peter John Vere, JCL/M (Canon Law) This issue is a closed issue. The Church has spoken, the debate is ended as I believe St. Augustine once said. I hope this has not soured you to our site, but you well know that I call a spade a spade. It does not matter what opinion I, you, or Fr. Gruner hold. The competent authority was Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia. No one else had the competence, or standing, to offer an opinion, including Fr. Gruner. I pray that Fr. Gruner will be healed of his obsessions and that he reconciles with his bishop so that he can be restored to licit ministry. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.

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Sunday, November 6, 2011

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Why do you list Fr. Grunner and the Fatima Crusade as a group not to be associated with? I can say from my personal experience that he has done much to promote Our Lady, I can say he has helped me grow more in love with the Virgin and to pray the rosary.

Please explain your position in this matter. I know there are issues with Rome(but that is because there are those in the Church to seek to null the message of Fatima, that is undeniable) but he does not teach anything contrary to Traditional Catholic teaching.

The Conferences he has in Rome are attended by Bishops and Cardinals in good standing. Fr. Grunner wants the entire message revealed and for the Holy Father in union with the Cardinals to do what was asked by Our Lady. That has not occurred, it is fact. We could argue the different points, but his web site explains all, as does your site. I think both of you work for the Lord within the structures of our Roman Catholic faith, division being from the devil.

Thank you and God bless you for your Ministry, its outstanding...

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Dear Jose:

I praise God that you have been helped by Fr. Gruner. Unfortuhnately, Fr. Grunar has been suspended as a priest the last time I checked. He was disobedient to his bishop.

I am also amuzed by people who think the Third Secret has not been released or that it is incomplete. How would anyone know this unless they read the original document?

This is calling Pope John Paul and Sister Lucia liars about both the Consecration of Russia, which happened in 1984 and the Third Secret which was released in 2000.

Since both Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia have authenicated these documents, the case is closed. All that Our Lady asked has been completed. That is a demonstrated fact and verified by Sr. Lucia herself.

Anyone, including Fr. Gruner, are committing a sin by accusing the Pope of lying. The burden of proof of such accusations belong to the accuers. Fr. Gruner has provided no proof. All he has done is posit unsubstantiated opinions and hearsay.

Fr. Gruner has been an author of division. The devil is the father of division and accusation. Fr. Gruner needs to seek counseling if he is suffering from obsessive thinking.

As Colin B. Donovan, STL, states on the EWTN site:

Catholics who associate themselves with such efforts participate in at least material disobedience to lawful papal authority. This means that externally, in themselves, their acts are disobedient, though internally, through ignorance or lack of intention, they may not be morally culpable (formal disobedience). However, they could, over time, find themselves in formal schism from the Church, that is, knowingly and willfully disobeying papal authority. This is because in the human will it is not very far from whining and complaining about what you don't like about the Church and this pontificate to formally (that is, with full moral culpability) breaking communion with Peter, especially when you have taken the first step of material resistance to papal authority.

Also read, Canon Law and Fr. Gruner's Suspension a divinis, by Peter John Vere, JCL/M (Canon Law)

This issue is a closed issue. The Church has spoken, the debate is ended as I believe St. Augustine once said.

I hope this has not soured you to our site, but you well know that I call a spade a spade. It does not matter what opinion I, you, or Fr. Gruner hold. The competent authority was Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia. No one else had the competence, or standing, to offer an opinion, including Fr. Gruner.

I pray that Fr. Gruner will be healed of his obsessions and that he reconciles with his bishop so that he can be restored to licit ministry.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.