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Demons and sacramnetal	Debbie	Saturday, February 12, 2011
Question: After reading the Rite and books by Fr Gabriel Amorth and Fr Anthony Fortea it seems that the demon possessed people cannot bear to be near sacramental, blessed with holy water etc. Several years ago I asked here ( using a form of my OCDS name) several questions about a woman on my parish staff who was very manipulative and seemed to be controlling the pastor and you said she may be operating from a Jezebel spirit. Here is a link to that post. After much prayer, the pastor taking a sabbatical, this woman is no longer on staff; the pastor is back a stronger holier leader than ever thanks be to God. The woman is still very much around, an active volunteer, ingratiating herself with influential parishioners . I am not worried about her, believe that with persistent prayer and sacrifices God will keep the pastor and parish in His will ( or bring us back if we fall). My question is if a person is operating out of a Jezebel spirit how come they can receive the Eucharist, bless themselves with Holy water, wear a Miraculous medal as this woman does? This seems contrary to what these priest exorcists say God bless you for the great work you do
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OMSM(r) Dear Debbie: I praise God that your pastor found the rest he need and rejuvenation to continue his ministry in holiness. We will certainly continue prayers for this pastor, the woman in question, and for the parish. As to your question, there are many levels of demonization, the worse of which is possession. When I say that this woman may have a Jezebel I am not suggesting she is possessed. She can do all that she does under the influence of a Jezebel spirit that is attached to her (not possessing her), or hanging around her. Sacramentals are great tools given to us by the Church as a sign of our faith. Many demons will shy way from the presence of Sacramentals, but others may not. Some demons seem unaffected by many Sacramentals in the context outside an exorcism. Some demons can even be present in the Church during Mass. Within exorcism is a different matter. The Sacramentals used do not merely represent the faith of the person using it, but rather, the faith of the entire Church. That is why a formal exorcism is so powerful -- it has bearing down on the demon the entire weight of the Church (Triumphant, Suffering, and Militant). When we do a Deliverance our prayers have the weight of our prayer group offering the prayers in the name of Jesus Christ. This is powerful, but not as powerful as the entire Church. In addition, with a possessed person, the devil controls the body and the imagination, and can seriously manipulate thoughts and emotions, but the soul cannot be possessed. A possessed person can even be in a state-of-grace. Since the devil does not usually control the person 24 hours/day, during lucid free moments a possessed person may not be bothered by the presence of Sacramentals or even of the Eucharist. At the next moment, the possessed person may scream in pain from the presence. But, in the case of this woman in your parish, it is most likely that the devil is exploiting personality defects that she already has and intensifying and encouraging the continued operation of those defects for the devil's own purpose to disrupt the parish and harass the pastor. Thus, she is not likely possessed. Demons love to hitchhike on problems that already exist in us. Thus, a personality defect can be made worse and used by the demons. In other instances a person may have done something they should not have done, such as play the Ouija Board, addictive watching of "ghost-busting" TV shows, and the like, and then begin manifesting uncharacteristic personality traits never before observed in that person. In the case of those with a Jezebel spirit, I believe the demons usually target someone who already has a personality defect that lends them to be naturally critical, relentless, carping, complaining, gossipy, and the other traits typically observed in those with a Jezebel spirit. The spirit manipulates, inspires, intensifies, and then exploits those negative traits to beat down the pastor and others in the vicinity. Continue to pray for her. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.

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Demons and sacramnetal

Debbie

Saturday, February 12, 2011

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After reading the Rite and books by Fr Gabriel Amorth and Fr Anthony Fortea it seems that the demon possessed people cannot bear to be near sacramental, blessed with holy water etc. Several years ago I asked here ( using a form of my OCDS name) several questions about a woman on my parish staff who was very manipulative and seemed to be controlling the pastor and you said she may be operating from a Jezebel spirit. Here is a link to that post.

After much prayer, the pastor taking a sabbatical, this woman is no longer on staff; the pastor is back a stronger holier leader than ever thanks be to God. The woman is still very much around, an active volunteer, ingratiating herself with influential parishioners . I am not worried about her, believe that with persistent prayer and sacrifices God will keep the pastor and parish in His will ( or bring us back if we fall).

My question is if a person is operating out of a Jezebel spirit how come they can receive the Eucharist, bless themselves with Holy water, wear a Miraculous medal as this woman does? This seems contrary to what these priest exorcists say

God bless you for the great work you do

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OMSM(r)

Dear Debbie:

I praise God that your pastor found the rest he need and rejuvenation to continue his ministry in holiness.

We will certainly continue prayers for this pastor, the woman in question, and for the parish.

As to your question, there are many levels of demonization, the worse of which is possession. When I say that this woman may have a Jezebel I am not suggesting she is possessed. She can do all that she does under the influence of a Jezebel spirit that is attached to her (not possessing her), or hanging around her.

Sacramentals are great tools given to us by the Church as a sign of our faith. Many demons will shy way from the presence of Sacramentals, but others may not. Some demons seem unaffected by many Sacramentals in the context outside an exorcism. Some demons can even be present in the Church during Mass. Within exorcism is a different matter. The Sacramentals used do not merely represent the faith of the person using it, but rather, the faith of the entire Church. That is why a formal exorcism is so powerful -- it has bearing down on the demon the entire weight of the Church (Triumphant, Suffering, and Militant). When we do a Deliverance our prayers have the weight of our prayer group offering the prayers in the name of Jesus Christ. This is powerful, but not as powerful as the entire Church.

In addition, with a possessed person, the devil controls the body and the imagination, and can seriously manipulate thoughts and emotions, but the soul cannot be possessed. A possessed person can even be in a state-of-grace. Since the devil does not usually control the person 24 hours/day, during lucid free moments a possessed person may not be bothered by the presence of Sacramentals or even of the Eucharist. At the next moment, the possessed person may scream in pain from the presence.

But, in the case of this woman in your parish, it is most likely that the devil is exploiting personality defects that she already has and intensifying and encouraging the continued operation of those defects for the devil's own purpose to disrupt the parish and harass the pastor. Thus, she is not likely possessed.

Demons love to hitchhike on problems that already exist in us. Thus, a personality defect can be made worse and used by the demons.

In other instances a person may have done something they should not have done, such as play the Ouija Board, addictive watching of "ghost-busting" TV shows, and the like, and then begin manifesting uncharacteristic personality traits never before observed in that person.

In the case of those with a Jezebel spirit, I believe the demons usually target someone who already has a personality defect that lends them to be naturally critical, relentless, carping, complaining, gossipy, and the other traits typically observed in those with a Jezebel spirit. The spirit manipulates, inspires, intensifies, and then exploits those negative traits to beat down the pastor and others in the vicinity.

Continue to pray for her.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.