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spiritual discernment	susie	Friday, September 3, 2004
Question: Concerning tongues I have heard of the test of John chapter 4 verses 1-3. Now in regards to this I have interpreted this to mean if I confess my Lord Jesus who is God the Son to have become flesh still remaining God and his true Presence then that seems like what I read. I have talked to my priest about tongues and prophecy,although I dont know if he has a full experience in testing. We looked over Corinthians and then I talked to him about how I have been drawn closer to the faith picking up things like Mary New Eve in my private studies(I had never heard it preached before). Although I know thinking good fruits comes is not enough I would like to know if my interpretation has any leeway on how I would go about testing my gifts. I am baptised and starting RCIA this month. I have faith that God will keep me until I am recieved in the Church. Thank you and God bless.
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM+ Dear Susie: First let me welcome you to the Church. We will be in prayer for you as you go throught RCIA. The testing is not the testing of yourself, it is the testing of the spirits and the fruits of the tongues. The three "tests" are: 1) Orthodoxy: One's tongues experience should NEVER lead to ANYTHING that is even remotely contrary to Church teaching, no matter how small and trivial that Church teaching may be. For example, for those in the Latin Rite, if one discerns through praying in tongues that it is ok to clap and sway to the music in Mass, then those tongues are false since clapping and swaying to the music is prohibited in the Latin Rite of the Church 2) Fruits: Examine the fruits of the tongues. If this practice truly helping you to be more mature in the faith? etc. It often requires a third party who knows you well to make this determination since we can fool ourselves easily about what is to is not good fruit. 3) Biblical Test of the Spirits: To test tongues one needs to find someone who can administer the test; this cannot be done alone. Then what you do is that you will begin to speak in tongues. The other person will then speak to the "spirit behind the tongues" and ask it if it believes that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If you perceive ANY feeling of hestitation at this question when you are speaking in tongues then those tongues are not of God. The Spirit of God will always resoundingly affirm that Jesus came in the flesh. Other spirits will hestitate or beat around the bush. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.

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Friday, September 3, 2004

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Concerning tongues I have heard of the test of John chapter 4 verses 1-3. Now in regards to this I have interpreted this to mean if I confess my Lord Jesus who is God the Son to have become flesh still remaining God and his true Presence then that seems like what I read.

I have talked to my priest about tongues and prophecy,although I dont know if he has a full experience in testing. We looked over Corinthians and then I talked to him about how I have been drawn closer to the faith picking up things like Mary New Eve in my private studies(I had never heard it preached before).

Although I know thinking good fruits comes is not enough I would like to know if my interpretation has any leeway on how I would go about testing my gifts.

I am baptised and starting RCIA this month. I have faith that God will keep me until I am recieved in the Church. Thank you and God bless.

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM+

Dear Susie:

First let me welcome you to the Church. We will be in prayer for you as you go throught RCIA.

The testing is not the testing of yourself, it is the testing of the spirits and the fruits of the tongues. The three "tests" are:

1) Orthodoxy: One's tongues experience should NEVER lead to ANYTHING that is even remotely contrary to Church teaching, no matter how small and trivial that Church teaching may be. For example, for those in the Latin Rite, if one discerns through praying in tongues that it is ok to clap and sway to the music in Mass, then those tongues are false since clapping and swaying to the music is prohibited in the Latin Rite of the Church
2) Fruits: Examine the fruits of the tongues. If this practice truly helping you to be more mature in the faith? etc. It often requires a third party who knows you well to make this determination since we can fool ourselves easily about what is to is not good fruit.
3) Biblical Test of the Spirits: To test tongues one needs to find someone who can administer the test; this cannot be done alone. Then what you do is that you will begin to speak in tongues. The other person will then speak to the "spirit behind the tongues" and ask it if it believes that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. If you perceive ANY feeling of hestitation at this question when you are speaking in tongues then those tongues are not of God. The Spirit of God will always resoundingly affirm that Jesus came in the flesh. Other spirits will hestitate or beat around the bush.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

For information on how to receive help see our Help page. We suggest that before contacting us directly for help you try the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. These self-help steps will often resolve the problem. Also our Spiritual Warfare Prayer Catalog contains many prayers that may be helpful. If needed you can ask for a Personal Consultation.