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Other gods. Johan Friday, October 9, 2009

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One last question. The Bible... in it, God said that there are no other gods. He also forbids the worship of ather gods and the Bible also mentions "a mountain in the North where the Gods gather."

Ancient civilisations have been worshiping gods since way before there were any mention of God. Don't get me wrong. I do believe in God. I just don't believe that the Bible is all people make it out to be. Is it wrong of me to think this?

And the whole "2012" thing, Mayan prophecies about either the end or global enlightenment? I would like to understand this.

Was man made by a one powerful, almighty God, or are we just a cosmic science experiment like so many ancient civilisations would explain our coming to this planet. (Been reading Slave Spiecies of God, a very interesting book!)



Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM

Johan:

There is only one True God. All other "gods" are false. The ancient people's concepts of gods is based on the inherent knowledge of God that God has implanted into their souls. There expression of this knowledge is flawed because they have no additional revelation from God about his nature -- as I explained before.

Note to everyone: Whenever referencing a Bible verse, please give the chapter and verse citation.

I believe you are talking about Isaiah 14:13. To put that verse in better context I quote the several verses before and after verse 13 (Isaiah 14:11-15):

Thy pride is brought down to hell, thy carcass is fallen down: under thee shall the moth be strewed, and worms shall be thy covering. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations? And thou saidst in thy heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit in the mountain of the covenant, in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the height of the clouds, I will be like the most High. But yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit.

The is the passage from the Douay-Rheims translation of the Bible. The passage in question is translated by the RSV: "I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north". In the Jerusalem Bible (1966 edition) the verse is rendered: "I will sit on the Mount of Assembly in the recesses if the north."

Those three translations of the Bible, the Douay-Rheims and the Revised Standard Version are the two most accurate translations into English from the original Biblical languages.

Less accurate translations render this version like you quoted, such as the CEV (Contemporary English Version):  "I'll sit there with the gods far away in the north"; and the NIrV (New International Version Reader's Edition):  "I'll sit as king on the mountain where the gods meet."

With that said, the mountain referred to is a sacred mountain in northern Syria called Mt. Caseus. I think the mountain today is called, Mt. Jebel Aqra. The writer was making reference to an ancient Canaanite myth about lesser god's attempting to become head of the pantheon of god in Canaanite mythology.

The writer used this imagery to illustrate his point. Like many passages in the Bible, the writers used imagery that was familiar to the people at the time. This Canaanite myth of the "mountain where the gods meet" was familiar to the people and thus served well to illustrate the point about the pride and arrogance of a king.

The common interpretation by many Church Fathers is that the king referred to in these passages who was so prideful to want "...ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" (notice that God is singular) is Lucifer, the prideful angel who became Satan. These passages are talking about the fall of Lucifer (Satan).

Bottomline, the writer of Isaiah is not acknowledging or teaching polytheism, he is using an ancient Canaanite myth about lesser gods trying to be top dog as an illustration of the pride of a king.

One cannot look into the Bible to find what one wants to see. The Bible must be interpreted objectively using proper hermeneutics of literal-typical, historico-grammatical, historical-critical, theological, patristic, and Magisterial context.

As for the Bible to be what it claims to be, there is overwhelming evidence that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, inerrant, and infallible in matters of faith. That subject cannot be discussed here -- it would take a whole book to deal it.

There is a good book written by a Protestant, Josh McDowell, called New Evidence that Demands a Verdict. While there are some comments that are at issue from a Catholic point-of-view, this book gives a good rendering of the evidence for the Bible being exactly what it and the Church claims it to be.

On the 2012 end of the world: That issue can be answered in a word: Balderdash!

Jesus tells us that no one knows the date of the end of the world.

As to who made man: God, the one true God, is the Creator of all things, the universe and everything in it, including man. He is the first mover from which all else exists.

You really need to stop reading these idiotic, false-science, books. There were no ancient civilizations that asserted that we are some "cosmic science experiment". Ancient peoples would not even know what that meant. There were no 'chariots of the gods."

I am amazed at all the speculation that is taken as "science", fueled by atheists who are pathologically desperate to find an explanation other than God. These people produce not a shred of credible evidence to support their nonsense views. Their interpretations of ancient artwork and of ancient myths is no more than the cloud-interpretation as I mentioned before and outright bias in favor of a explanation they have already concluded.

That is not how science is done. One may begin with a hypothesis, but if the objective evidence is not there, then the hypothesis is abandoned. A scientist does not force interpretations of observations to fit his hypothesis or mistake correlation as causation -- at least not an honest scientist.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

 


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