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Can you answer my questions? | Tom | Friday, November 30, 2007 |
Question: Dear Brother, It was precisely due to reading your PDF file that I raised my questions on 11/29. Can you please address them? |
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Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM
Dear Tom: With all due respect I do not think you have read very carefully the essay, "All About Spiritual Gifts", nor for that matter, carefully read the Bible on this subject. If you had, most of your questions would already be answered. The "All About Spiritual Gifts" essay is thoroughly footnoted and supported by comments and writings of Popes, bishops, Saints, and other authorities. The essay quotes Popes and bishops are the value of the Charismatic Renewal and criticisms. The essay is supportive of genuine Charismatic experience and warns against the Pentecostalisms that are not Catholic and which may have doctrinal problems to which Catholics should avoid. Any Catholic of good will who respects truth should be interested in avoiding such Pentecostalisms and doctrinal problems. From my experience the only people who take issue with that essay are those who have such a emotional investment in the way they do things that they will not listen to reason. Many in the Charismatic Renewal suffer from this myopia. Quoting from the essay, Pope Benedict XVI, as Cardinal Ratzinger has warned the Charismatic Renewal of this problem in his “Foreword” to Cardinal Suenens book, Renewal and the Powers of Darkness:
The two principles of Catholic Worldview described here are 1) that reason must always lead the way and guide experience, feelings, and emotions; and 2) our experiences must be integrated in the whole Body of the Church and not isolated into individual groups or movements. Colin B. Donovan, Vice President for Theology at EWTN and former professor at Aquinas College in Nashville, summarizes the Church’s position on the Renewal:
It is only those who place experience and subjective feelings above reason and respect for truth that seem to have problems with that essay. We need to assess the Charismatic Renewal, or any other movement in the Church, with reason, not with emotion and subjective experience. I should add here before answering your questions, that I have taught seminars for thirty years on how to find one's charismatic gifts. I am not an opponent to the Charismatic Renewal; I am rather, an opponent to the inauthentic and to the contamination of Protestant Pentecostal ideas, notions, definitions, and theology into the Catholic experience. Now to your questions: Q1: If the gift of tongues is so "unimportant" then why is it mentioned more than any other in the Acts of the Apostles? It seems that EVERY time a new group of believers is identified and prayed over, the gift of tongues is released. A. As mentioned in the essay, tongues in this reference was a Sigil Gift that was meant to authenticate the presence of the Holy Spirit. In this case, in the Book of Acts, we are dealing with the Sacrament of Confirmation and NOT some extra-sacramental "baptism" of the Spirit. The reason the Pentecostals misinterpret this, and why they mistakenly call their experience "baptism in the Spirit" is because they do not recognize the Sacrament of Conformation and thus they misinterpret the passages in Acts to be something other than what we know is the Sacrament. This Sigil gift was no longer needed after the first century as the Bible and the Church were the authenticators and not any Sigil gift. This is mentioned by the likes of Pope St. Gregory the Great and also the First Vatican Council. Thus, the speaking in tongues upon the laying on of hands in the Sacrament of Confirmation ceased after the first century.
Q2: You claim that St. Paul admonishes us to speak in a language known by men, instead of tongues. Why then does he say, "Would that you ALL spoke in tongues?" A. I "claim"? My dear Tom, I claim nothing, I state what St. Paul states in the Bible. By the way, it is St. Paul who states that tongues is the least important of all gifts (in reference to the first question). Dear Sir, you need to read your Bible. St. Jerome said that "Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ." 1 Corinthians 14 St. Paul gives instructions on the limitations of Tongues:
St. Paul in 1 Cor 12:7 and Eph 4:11-13 affirms again that the charism Gifts are those which edify, uplift, and build-up of the Church and the Faithful. The phrase "would that you all speak in tongues" must be taken in context and not like the Protestants interpret Scripture on face-value. St. Paul is using a language convention. He is talking with people who are abusing tongues so he exaggerates in saying that would you all speak in tongues (which implies that not everyone does, by the way), but more important is prophesy, and more important is to speak with words that one understands, and more important is for others to understand. I might use the same language convention technique in an argument and say something like, "If ALL of you were Catholics..." or "I want all of you to be Catholics, but...." Such language conventions and techniques of rhetoric are common in the Bible, but people ignorant of proper Biblical exegesis never understand this.
Q3 Where in scripture or Tradition do you find a reference that the "Charism Gift of Tongues" is different than "praying in tongues" and only means praying in a language other than your own? A. The proper question is where do you find Scriptural support for a "private prayer language"? In the passage quoted above St. Paul refers to tongues in the context of "...many different languages in the world", the tongues on the Day of Pentecost was human languages. The only reference to any other kind of tongue is the passage of "tongues of men and of angels". Again St. Paul is not suggesting that anyone speaks in angelic languages. He is yet again using a language convention of exaggeration -- "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels and have not love" -- he is saying you can speak in all sorts of tongues, even the tongues of angels, and it is useless without love. One cannot base an entire theology based upon one verse, especially a verse where the OBVIOUS measure of St. Paul's words is to exaggerate to make a point. As to the difference between the "charism gift" and another kind of gift, that point is made in 1 Cor 12:7 and Eph 4:11-13, and in the passage above:
Q4: Why does St. Paul say, "If I speak in the tongues of men and 'angels', but have not love, I am nothing"? Does that not imply that one can speak in human and angelic tongues?
A. Because tongues is the most easily counterfeited phenomenon on the planet. Everyone speaks in tongues -- shamans, satanists, witch doctors, new agers, and possessed people. One of the symptoms of being possessed that is mentioned in the official Rite of Exorcism is speaking in tongues. This does not mean that all tongue-speakers are possessed, it only means that speaking in tongues is counterfeited by the devil EASILY. This is not opinion, but fact. In addition to diabolical tongues, tongues can be a psychological manifestation. This is also fact, not opinion. There is also a legitimate tongues, but we must be very careful. There have been many cases of charismatics who think they have the gift of tongues only to find out their tongues is false. One priest at a charismatic meetings heard a women "praising God" in tongues. After the meeting he approached the woman and asked if she knew what she was saying. She said she was praising God. The priest told her that she was speaking his native language and that she was NOT praising God, but cursing God. What was it that St. Paul said? I would rather speak five words with my mind, in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.If we speak in a language we understand there is 100% assurance that we will not curse God without knowing it. Speak in a tongue, you have no idea what you are saying. The primary purpose of tongues -- to authenticate the ministry and early Church -- no longer is needed. Tongues without interpretation does not benefit the Church and thus is not a Charism gift and also runs the risk of not knowing what you are saying -- like that woman who thought she was praising God when in fact she was cursing God. "Praying in the Spirit" does not require tongues. The majority of the Saints prayed in the spirit in ways that FAR exceed any charismatic expression and did so without tongues. The bottomline is much of this does not come from Catholic theology but from misinterpretations of Protestant Pentecostals. Let is "fan into flame the gift that is within us", but let is do it properly according to a Catholic understanding of the Bible and the Faith. God Bless, Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum
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