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Are people abondoning the Church	Tim	Thursday, April 26, 2007
Question: Catholic church in the United States, for political purposes, likes to throw around the number of 67,000,000 Newchurchers in that country. The number is greatly inflated because studies show that only a fraction of that number, about 15%, or 10,000,000, ever set foot in a Novus Ordo temple for Mass. Included in the inflated figure is 42,000,000 Hispanics, both legal and illegal. Without them, Newchurch in the United States would have tanked to 25,000,000 nominal Newchurchers. Found this on the net seems true I travel alot and rarely go to the same parish twice. Most of the people I see at Mass are old, maby one or two young couples never any with babies.A few teens dressed like thier at a rave etc. My dad says the church is dead it just dosent know it yet.
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM Dear Tim: There is no such thing as a "Novus Ordo temple." To refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in such a hateful way is a form of blasphemy and is offensive. The Mass is holy whether it is the Roman Missal of 1962 or the Roman Missal of 2000. You need to repent of your hatred and blasphemy and also your lack of faith. It might also be good to get your facts straight. While Catholics attending Mass has declined since the early 1960's the figures are not as you suggest. On any given Sunday 40% of American Catholics are in Mass. Approximately 32% of American Catholics attend Mass every Sunday. In the early 1960's 75% of Catholics attended Mass. The reasons for the decline is not the Mass, it is the loss of faith that comes with an ever increasing liberal and secularized culture, liberal bishops allowing liberal priests to abuse the liturgy, our society deteriorating, etc. The Church is not dead. The Church is the Bride of Christ. We are so arrogant in this day and age. The Church has suffered 100 times worse than anything we experience today and has survived. During one period most of the bishops in the church had fallen into heresy, yet the Church survived. We even had a Pope murder his predecessor in order to get elected to the Papacy. The Church survived. It is a sign of a lack of faith to suggest that the Church is dead. Christ is not dead, his Bride is not dead. People need to repent of their profound arrogance, egotism, and immaturity and submit themselves to Christ and His Church. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum

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Are people abondoning the Church

Tim

Thursday, April 26, 2007

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Catholic church in the United States, for political purposes, likes to throw around the number of 67,000,000 Newchurchers in that country. The number is greatly inflated because studies show that only a fraction of that number, about 15%, or 10,000,000, ever set foot in a Novus Ordo temple for Mass. Included in the inflated figure is 42,000,000 Hispanics, both legal and illegal. Without them, Newchurch in the United States would have tanked to 25,000,000 nominal Newchurchers. Found this on the net seems true I travel alot and rarely go to the same parish twice. Most of the people I see at Mass are old, maby one or two young couples never any with babies.A few teens dressed like thier at a rave etc. My dad says the church is dead it just dosent know it yet.

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM

Dear Tim:

There is no such thing as a "Novus Ordo temple." To refer to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in such a hateful way is a form of blasphemy and is offensive. The Mass is holy whether it is the Roman Missal of 1962 or the Roman Missal of 2000.

You need to repent of your hatred and blasphemy and also your lack of faith.

It might also be good to get your facts straight. While Catholics attending Mass has declined since the early 1960's the figures are not as you suggest.

On any given Sunday 40% of American Catholics are in Mass. Approximately 32% of American Catholics attend Mass every Sunday. In the early 1960's 75% of Catholics attended Mass.

The reasons for the decline is not the Mass, it is the loss of faith that comes with an ever increasing liberal and secularized culture, liberal bishops allowing liberal priests to abuse the liturgy, our society deteriorating, etc.

The Church is not dead. The Church is the Bride of Christ. We are so arrogant in this day and age. The Church has suffered 100 times worse than anything we experience today and has survived. During one period most of the bishops in the church had fallen into heresy, yet the Church survived. We even had a Pope murder his predecessor in order to get elected to the Papacy. The Church survived.

It is a sign of a lack of faith to suggest that the Church is dead. Christ is not dead, his Bride is not dead.

People need to repent of their profound arrogance, egotism, and immaturity and submit themselves to Christ and His Church.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

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