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abuses part II	Benedict	Thursday, February 17, 2005
Question: Dear Brother, many thanks for addressing my question to you from Tuesday. I want to comment on something and then ask a follow up question, if I may. Your answer seemed to lump all traditional-minded Catholics into the same group as mr "novusordowatch" (the coward won't even give his name on his site). I know that this can't be your intention as we both surely know there are traditionalists who are 100% faithful to the Pope, such as FSSP parishes, for example. What do you say to them? That the abuses they see are not legitimate? You see, the answer you gave refutes the ultra trads, but does not address the abuses themselves. So here's my question. What exactly happened at Assisi? Did the pope allow pagans into the monastery to pray to their false "gods"? You called it a "non-incident" but was it? I don't want in any way to cast aspersions on the Pope or to judge him, but can't you see that very many faithful Catholics have been scandalized and confused by these actions? Even if his intentions were noble (and I have no doubt they were), his actions still caused terrible scandal. And if you have an expalnation, please let all the traditionalist apologists know so we can let the matter rest once and for all. Thanks again for your time, Sincerely, Ben.
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM Dear Benedict: No, my answer did NOT seem to lump all traditional-minded Catholic together. I specifically referred to the Ultra-Traditionalist. The FSSP and like-minded people are just peachy fine. By the way, a true Traditionalist is a post-Vatican II Catholic since Vatican II is itself part of Tradition. I did not address the specific abuses because that was not the issue in my mind. The non-incident of Assisi is an example of evil people who try to make something out of nothing, refusing to accept the facts, jumping to the most negative conclusions without knowing the facts (which is the mortal sin of rash judgement), and showing their lack of faith in the Tradition they claim to love -- a Tradition that demands obedience and a Tradition that insists that rash judgment is a grave sin. For the real scoop on Assisi I refer everyone to the article by Father Xavier Garban, Assisi Interfaith Prayer, originally Published the the French FSSP official newsletter, Tv Es Petrvs. No, the Pope's actions did not cause a scandal. The erroneous reporting in the media and by the Ultra-Traditionalist defectors of the True faith and evil accusers are who caused any scandal. Unfortunately many Catholics got caught-up in the sin of these Ultra-Traditionalist and media distortions. Of course, no Catholic should have been so "caught". No one need be caught-up in these things if they follow two Rules of Thumb that have been proven wise: Presume the media is distorting their reporting about the Church unless proven otherwise. Always presume that the Ultra-Traditionalist's interpretation of anything is in error, exaggerated, misinterpreted, re-interpreted with delusions of popehood, or otherwise delusional unless proven otherwise. Father Garban's article settles this matter once-and-for-all time. Now we need to get on with things that are really threatening our Church instead of these imaginary straw men conjured in the minds of disturbed men that scandalize many innocent others into confusion. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum

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abuses part II

Benedict

Thursday, February 17, 2005

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Dear Brother,

many thanks for addressing my question to you from Tuesday. I want to comment on something and then ask a follow up question, if I may.

Your answer seemed to lump all traditional-minded Catholics into the same group as mr "novusordowatch" (the coward won't even give his name on his site). I know that this can't be your intention as we both surely know there are traditionalists who are 100% faithful to the Pope, such as FSSP parishes, for example. What do you say to them? That the abuses they see are not legitimate? You see, the answer you gave refutes the ultra trads, but does not address the abuses themselves.

So here's my question. What exactly happened at Assisi? Did the pope allow pagans into the monastery to pray to their false "gods"? You called it a "non-incident" but was it? I don't want in any way to cast aspersions on the Pope or to judge him, but can't you see that very many faithful Catholics have been scandalized and confused by these actions? Even if his intentions were noble (and I have no doubt they were), his actions still caused terrible scandal.

And if you have an expalnation, please let all the traditionalist apologists know so we can let the matter rest once and for all.

Thanks again for your time,

Sincerely,
Ben.

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OLSM

Dear Benedict:

No, my answer did NOT seem to lump all traditional-minded Catholic together. I specifically referred to the Ultra-Traditionalist. The FSSP and like-minded people are just peachy fine.

By the way, a true Traditionalist is a post-Vatican II Catholic since Vatican II is itself part of Tradition.

I did not address the specific abuses because that was not the issue in my mind.

The non-incident of Assisi is an example of evil people who try to make something out of nothing, refusing to accept the facts, jumping to the most negative conclusions without knowing the facts (which is the mortal sin of rash judgement), and showing their lack of faith in the Tradition they claim to love -- a Tradition that demands obedience and a Tradition that insists that rash judgment is a grave sin.

For the real scoop on Assisi I refer everyone to the article by Father Xavier Garban, Assisi Interfaith Prayer, originally Published the the French FSSP official newsletter, Tv Es Petrvs.

No, the Pope's actions did not cause a scandal. The erroneous reporting in the media and by the Ultra-Traditionalist defectors of the True faith and evil accusers are who caused any scandal.

Unfortunately many Catholics got caught-up in the sin of these Ultra-Traditionalist and media distortions. Of course, no Catholic should have been so "caught". No one need be caught-up in these things if they follow two Rules of Thumb that have been proven wise:

Presume the media is distorting their reporting about the Church unless proven otherwise.
Always presume that the Ultra-Traditionalist's interpretation of anything is in error, exaggerated, misinterpreted, re-interpreted with delusions of popehood, or otherwise delusional unless proven otherwise.

Father Garban's article settles this matter once-and-for-all time. Now we need to get on with things that are really threatening our Church instead of these imaginary straw men conjured in the minds of disturbed men that scandalize many innocent others into confusion.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

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