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Brown Scapular	Christina	Thursday, September 12, 2013
Question: Brother Ignatius Mary, I just read your Brown Scapular Enrollment and I had a different enrollment prayer. I am now wondering if my prayer was valid. This is what the enrollment prayer that I was given: Priest; Show us, O lord, Thy mercy Respondent: And grant us thy salvation. Priest: O Lord, hear my prayer. Respondent: And let my cry come unto Thee. Priest: The Lord be with you. Respondent: And with your spirit. Priest: Let us pray. O Lord Jesus Christ, Savior of mankind, by thy right hand sanctify (+) this (these) Scapular(s) which thy servant(s) will devoutly wear for love of Thee and of thy Blessed Mother, Our Lady of Mount Carmel so that through Her intercession (he) (she) (they) may be protected from the wickedness of evil spirits, and persevere in Your grace until death. You Who live and reign forever and ever. Amen (Priest sprinkles scapulars with holy water and then places the scapular over their shoulders) Receive this blessed Scapular, and ask the Most Holy Virgin that by Her merits it may be worn with no stain of sin, protect you from all harm and bring you to everlasting life. Amen (After placing each brown scapular, the priest continues with the prayers:) By the power granted to me, I admit you to a share in all the spiritual works performed with the merciful help of Jesus Christ, by the religious of Mount Carmel, in the name of the Father and of the Son (+)and of the Holy Ghost. Amen May Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, bless (+) you whom He has been pleased to receive into the Confraternity of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. We beg Her to crush the head of the ancient serpent at the hour of your death and to obtain for you the palm and crown of your everlasting inheritance. We ask this through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen (The priest sprinkles those enrolled in the Scapular with Holy Water. The Endnotes are as follows: 1. Viridarium Ordinis B, Virginis Mariae De Monte Carmelo, Joannem Grossi (1389 AD), Analecta Ord. Carm. VIII, Page 124. 2. Sign of Her Heart, footnote 28, Page 257. 3. Vertu Miraculeuse De Scapulaire By R. P. Huget, Paris, 1869, Page 5. 4. Ibid., page 5. Brother Ignatius please let me know if this prayer is valid I got it from the Fatima Organization that you do not approve of but I had the enrollment done before I knew about the organization. I have been wearing my brown scapular since and I hope that the enrollment is valid. Thank you for your time and assistance. Blessings, Christina
Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OMSM(r), CCL, LTh, DD, LNDC Dear Christina: I would not use anything coming from the Fatima Crusader or any other site of Father Gruner's. This has nothing to do with "my approval or lack of it". This priest is not in good standing with the Church (see article). The Carmelite Order is the authority over the Brown Scapular and how enrollment is to be done. There is a short form and a longer traditional form. The requirements for enrollment also have changed over the years, so the best bet is to contact the Carmelites and ask them. Here is their contact info: Office of the Prior Provincial Very Rev. Mario Esposito, O. Carm., Prior Provincial PO Box 3079 Middletown, NY 10940 845-344-2223 Fax: 845-344-2210 Email:proelias@frontiernet.net God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum

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Brown Scapular

Christina

Thursday, September 12, 2013

Question:

Brother Ignatius Mary,

I just read your Brown Scapular Enrollment and I had a different enrollment prayer. I am now wondering if my prayer was valid.

This is what the enrollment prayer that I was given:

Priest; Show us, O lord, Thy mercy
Respondent: And grant us thy salvation.
Priest: O Lord, hear my prayer.
Respondent: And let my cry come unto Thee.
Priest: The Lord be with you.
Respondent: And with your spirit.
Priest: Let us pray. O Lord Jesus Christ, Savior of mankind, by thy right hand sanctify (+) this (these) Scapular(s) which thy servant(s) will devoutly wear for love of Thee and of thy Blessed Mother, Our Lady of Mount Carmel so that through Her intercession (he) (she) (they) may be protected from the wickedness of evil spirits, and persevere in Your grace until death. You Who live and reign forever and ever. Amen (Priest sprinkles scapulars with holy water and then places the scapular over their shoulders)
Receive this blessed Scapular, and ask the Most Holy Virgin that by Her merits it may be worn with no stain of sin, protect you from all harm and bring you to everlasting life. Amen (After placing each brown scapular, the priest continues with the prayers:)
By the power granted to me, I admit you to a share in all the spiritual works performed with the merciful help of Jesus Christ, by the religious of Mount Carmel, in the name of the Father and of the Son (+)and of the Holy Ghost. Amen
May Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, bless (+) you whom He has been pleased to receive into the Confraternity of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. We beg Her to crush the head of the ancient serpent at the hour of your death and to obtain for you the palm and crown of your everlasting inheritance. We ask this through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen (The priest sprinkles those enrolled in the Scapular with Holy Water.

The Endnotes are as follows:

1. Viridarium Ordinis B, Virginis Mariae De Monte Carmelo, Joannem Grossi (1389 AD), Analecta Ord. Carm. VIII, Page 124.
2. Sign of Her Heart, footnote 28, Page 257.
3. Vertu Miraculeuse De Scapulaire By R. P. Huget, Paris, 1869, Page 5.
4. Ibid., page 5.

Brother Ignatius please let me know if this prayer is valid I got it from the Fatima Organization that you do not approve of but I had the enrollment done before I knew about the organization. I have been wearing my brown scapular since and I hope that the enrollment is valid.

Thank you for your time and assistance.
Blessings,
Christina

Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OMSM(r), CCL, LTh, DD, LNDC

Dear Christina:

I would not use anything coming from the Fatima Crusader or any other site of Father Gruner's. This has nothing to do with "my approval or lack of it". This priest is not in good standing with the Church (see article).

The Carmelite Order is the authority over the Brown Scapular and how enrollment is to be done. There is a short form and a longer traditional form. The requirements for enrollment also have changed over the years, so the best bet is to contact the Carmelites and ask them.

Here is their contact info:

Office of the Prior Provincial
Very Rev. Mario Esposito, O. Carm.,
Prior Provincial
PO Box 3079
Middletown, NY 10940
845-344-2223 Fax: 845-344-2210
Email:proelias@frontiernet.net

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

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