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RE: Marian Movement - Fr. Gobbi	Jeanne	Thursday, March 15, 2012
Question: Hi Brother, This is information that I can contribute regarding the alleged locutionist Fr. Gobbi. 1. Messages #287, 351, 356, 425, contradict the truth that Pope John Paul II consecrated the world (with Russia) to Mary and that heaven has approved it. The messages state, it has not been accepted by heaven. This is a huge flag of an inauthentic seer. 2. Fr. Roux, who was the director for the movement in the USA, responded poorly when I had asked him questions regarding Fr. Gobbi's ordination date, etc... He said to me "These details are none of your business". 3. He was a member of the Secular Institute of the Company of St. Paul, and had a provincial above him. He was not under any bishop. 4. Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo (Apostolic Nuncio) in letters to 2 persons who requested information on Gobbi, in 1994 and 2000, had in his letter... "I can inform you that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has advised that they are not the words of our Blessed Mother, but his private meditations for which he assumes all theological, spiritual and pastoral responsibility". 5. Numerous errors including the forbidden heretical teaching of millenarianism are interwoven throughout the book. Basically, this seems to me on the diabolical side. Our Mother does NOT go against Her Son's church. It seems that priests and lay people have been misguided, maybe because of the hunger to be close to Mary, or by simple pride. Even though members pray for the Pope, they at the same time are learning to distrust the Pope and the Magisterium. Errors are dangerous as Catholics can be led to the paths of heresy, schism and apostasy. To conclude, another very disturbing piece of info for you and your people, Fr. Gobbi wrote in his Spiritual Testament..."I desire to be buried in Dongo, in the Shrine of Our Lady of Tears, at the foot of the altar of the Crucifix. If that is not readily available, then I ask for a temporary burial in the Chapel of the clergy in the cemetery in Dongo". Dongo is a beautiful area in northern Italy at the Lake Como region. This "humility" to want to be buried at a prominent altar instead of where the other clergy are buried, disturbs me. If it's this easy, then please bury me at St. Peter's Basilica! The devil is clever, and will use the "Pope and Mary names" to his advantage, in this case, to bring division, distrust in the Church, to spread false teachings , etc...unbeknownst to the victim. I also feel Fr. Gobbi deliberately appeared on EWTN to give credibility to his movement, and cause Catholics to trust and follow him, as he sat by Mother Angelica, whom we love and trust so much. If I am wrong about this assessment, may God have mercy on me. Thank you for your time, and blessings to you.
Question Answered by Dear Jeanne: The information you give goes way further than I knew about, but confirms what I said about the Fr. Gobbi's locutions as not recognized by the Church. From my undertstanding the Marian Movement of Priests, as an organization, has revceive positive comments. The problem, as I mentioned before, is that members of the Movement read the locutions, which even if they understand the locutions are not supernatural still have the potential of contaminating their faith. Since the Church has made a decision on Fr. Gobbi's locution, I personally do not think we need to get into other assertions such as whether or not Fr. Gobbi was prideful about his burial wishes. That sort of observation may be pertinent when a decision has not yet been made, but the Church has made a decision that we can stick to without making other assertions. In addition, going beyond what the Church has decided risks committing rash judgment as we may not know all the facts. The charge about why Fr. Gobbi appeared on EWTN I would suggest is the sin of Rash Judgment on your part, unless you talked with Fr. Gobbi and he told you his motivation. That is the only way you can know there was a hidden agenda. Rash Judgment is a grave sin and this assertion seems to me to be clearly rash judgment. We can deal with the objective issues here without making those assertions. By the way, your third point, "He was a member of the Secular Institute of the Company of St. Paul, and had a provincial above him. He was not under any bishop" is not exactly correct. Fr. Gobbi's immediate superior is the provincial of the Company of St. Paul, but this does not mean that the bishop is out of the loop. All are bound to the Pope as their highest Superior (CIC 590.2). Clerical members of a Secular Institute are incardinated in a diocese and are subject to that diocesan bishop (CIC 715.1) and those who are incardinated in the Instutue itself are subject to the bishop in the same way as religious (CIC 715.2). Institutes of pontical right are subject to the Apostolic See (CIC 593) and those Institutes of Diocesan right are subject to the diocesan bishop (CIC 594). Company of St. Paul is of pontifical right. The bottom line is that if there was an issue to be addressed, Fr. Gobbi would be subject to the the provincial of the Company of St. Paul, and to authorities above the Provincial all the way up to the Superior General (whatever title he has). If a situation is not resolved from the internal authorities the matter is referred to the appropriate bishop in the Apostolic See Thus, the implication that Fr. Gobbi was without supervision by anyone other than his provincial is inaccurate. God Bless, Bro. Ignatius Mary 3. . Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum

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RE: Marian Movement - Fr. Gobbi

Jeanne

Thursday, March 15, 2012

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Hi Brother,

This is information that I can contribute regarding the alleged locutionist Fr. Gobbi.

1. Messages #287, 351, 356, 425, contradict the truth that Pope John Paul II consecrated the world (with Russia) to Mary and that heaven has approved it. The messages state, it has not been accepted by heaven. This is a huge flag of an inauthentic seer.

2. Fr. Roux, who was the director for the movement in the USA, responded poorly when I had asked him questions regarding Fr. Gobbi's ordination date, etc... He said to me "These details are none of your business".

3. He was a member of the Secular Institute of the Company of St. Paul, and had a provincial above him. He was not under any bishop.

4. Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo (Apostolic Nuncio) in letters to 2 persons who requested information on Gobbi, in 1994 and 2000, had in his letter... "I can inform you that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has advised that they are not the words of our Blessed Mother, but his private meditations for which he assumes all theological, spiritual and pastoral responsibility".

5. Numerous errors including the forbidden heretical teaching of millenarianism are interwoven throughout the book.

Basically, this seems to me on the diabolical side. Our Mother does NOT go against Her Son's church.

It seems that priests and lay people have been misguided, maybe because of the hunger to be close to Mary, or by simple pride. Even though members pray for the Pope, they at the same time are learning to distrust the Pope and the Magisterium. Errors are dangerous as Catholics can be led to the paths of heresy, schism and apostasy.

To conclude, another very disturbing piece of info for you and your people, Fr. Gobbi wrote in his Spiritual Testament..."I desire to be buried in Dongo, in the Shrine of Our Lady of Tears, at the foot of the altar of the Crucifix. If that is not readily available, then I ask for a temporary burial in the Chapel of the clergy in the cemetery in Dongo".

Dongo is a beautiful area in northern Italy at the Lake Como region. This "humility" to want to be buried at a prominent altar instead of where the other clergy are buried, disturbs me. If it's this easy, then please bury me at St. Peter's Basilica!

The devil is clever, and will use the "Pope and Mary names" to his advantage, in this case, to bring division, distrust in the Church, to spread false teachings , etc...unbeknownst to the victim.

I also feel Fr. Gobbi deliberately appeared on EWTN to give credibility to his movement, and cause Catholics to trust and follow him, as he sat by Mother Angelica, whom we love and trust so much. If I am wrong about this assessment, may God have mercy on me.

Thank you for your time, and blessings to you.

Question Answered by

Dear Jeanne:

The information you give goes way further than I knew about, but confirms what I said about the Fr. Gobbi's locutions as not recognized by the Church.

From my undertstanding the Marian Movement of Priests, as an organization, has revceive positive comments. The problem, as I mentioned before, is that members of the Movement read the locutions, which even if they understand the locutions are not supernatural still have the potential of contaminating their faith.

Since the Church has made a decision on Fr. Gobbi's locution, I personally do not think we need to get into other assertions such as whether or not Fr. Gobbi was prideful about his burial wishes. That sort of observation may be pertinent when a decision has not yet been made, but the Church has made a decision that we can stick to without making other assertions.

In addition, going beyond what the Church has decided risks committing rash judgment as we may not know all the facts.

The charge about why Fr. Gobbi appeared on EWTN I would suggest is the sin of Rash Judgment on your part, unless you talked with Fr. Gobbi and he told you his motivation. That is the only way you can know there was a hidden agenda. Rash Judgment is a grave sin and this assertion seems to me to be clearly rash judgment.

We can deal with the objective issues here without making those assertions.

By the way, your third point, "He was a member of the Secular Institute of the Company of St. Paul, and had a provincial above him. He was not under any bishop" is not exactly correct.

Fr. Gobbi's immediate superior is the provincial of the Company of St. Paul, but this does not mean that the bishop is out of the loop. All are bound to the Pope as their highest Superior (CIC 590.2). Clerical members of a Secular Institute are incardinated in a diocese and are subject to that diocesan bishop (CIC 715.1) and those who are incardinated in the Instutue itself are subject to the bishop in the same way as religious (CIC 715.2).

Institutes of pontical right are subject to the Apostolic See (CIC 593) and those Institutes of Diocesan right are subject to the diocesan bishop (CIC 594). Company of St. Paul is of pontifical right.

The bottom line is that if there was an issue to be addressed, Fr. Gobbi would be subject to the the provincial of the Company of St. Paul, and to authorities above the Provincial all the way up to the Superior General (whatever title he has). If a situation is not resolved from the internal authorities the matter is referred to the appropriate bishop in the Apostolic See

Thus, the implication that Fr. Gobbi was without supervision by anyone other than his provincial is inaccurate.

God Bless,
Bro. Ignatius Mary

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Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below:
Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum.
Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum
Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum
Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum
Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum