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why are you so anti society of st.pius x &fr grunier | honoria | Friday, September 24, 2010 |
Question: St.pius x was never offically excommunicated, and Pope Benedict is now trying to get back to the latin mass, he also stated, on his last visit to Fatima that the scandals in the church were part of the last secret of Fatima?? I do not believe that Our Lady came down from heaven to tell us that pope john paul 11 would be wounded in St Peters square I think that She has better things to do. I find it incredulious in fact. also the Soc. of Pius x have kept the latin Mass alive for 40 years, against tremendous opposition. Please explain why you are so opposed?? |
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Question Answered by Bro. Ignatius Mary, OMSM(r)
Dear Honoria: Bishop Lefebvre consecrated bishops without the permission of the Pope. As a result Bishop Lefebvre and the four bishops he consecrated were automatically excommunicated for their act of schism. This is fact, not opinion. In 2009 the excommunication of the surviving four bishops was lifted as a gesture to help bring about reconciliation. Unfortunately, that reconciliation did not happen. The SSPX (Society for St. Pius X) is still not in communion with the Church the last time I checked. The Holy See has been dialoguing with the SSPX for years, but officials at the SSPX continue to maintain their arrogance. Reconciliation is not likely until they humble themselves. Groups like the SSPX are considered Ultra-Traditionalists. Actually, they are liberals. A religious liberal is one who thinks their opinion outranks the official decisions of the Holy See. These people seem to forget that the first "tradition" is OBEDIENCE. The reason we are in the mess today is because this first tradition of obedience was violated first by Lucifer ("I will not serve'), and then by Adam and Eve. All those groups who refuse to serve the Pope with fidelity are saying with Satan, "I will not serve." They are a blight on the Body of Christ. I pray for them. I pray that they will be healed of their pride and arrogance and come home to Rome. As for Fr. Gruner, he is also a problem. He arrogantly insists, for example, that Russia was not consecrated. Well, Pope John Paul II said that the consecration took place, and Sister Lucia, who was given the consecration request message in the first place, also said the consecration took place. It is utter lunacy to contradict that. Fr. Gruner has no credentials to contradict the plain and verified facts. What arrogance. The other matter under contention would be humorous if it were not pathetic. These lunes say that the Pope lied. They say the version of the Third Secret of Fatima that was published by the Pope was not real. They claim that the "real" secret was never released. Earth to lunes, how do you know the "real" secret as not been released if it is a SECRET. Where is the "proof", the "evidence" that the Holy See did not release the alleged real secret? I am always amused by this ridiculous logic. The Fr. Gruners of the world use the exact same logic as the anti-Catholics, who claim, for example, that the mean 'ol Catholic Church destroyed documents that revealed the "true evil nature" of the Catholic Church. Aaaa, if the documents have been destroyed then how do these people magically know about them and know what they say? They cannot produce any direct or indirect evidence, so how are they knowing this? The Fr. Gruners of the world certainly think like Protestants, but so does the SSPX-types in the world. In fact, I guess we could call them Protestants because they are "protesting" against the Church. God Bless, Footer Notes: This forum is for general questions on the faith. See specific Topic Forums below: Spiritual Warfare, demons, the occult go to our Spiritul Warfare Q&S Forum. Liturgy Questions go to our Liturgy and Liturgical Law Q&A Forum Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) Questions go to our Divine Office Q&A Forum Defenfing the Faith Questions go to our Defending the Faith Q&A Forum Church History Questions go to our Church History Q&A Forum
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